How crime started in Trinidad & Tobago

Corruption to succeed needs good people to give up & give in. Also you can't blame the government because it was US who put them there and keep them there. Consider this scenario:

You are walking down the street and for no reason, I walk up to you and hit you with a bat right across your face. Obviously I am in the wrong.

Same scenario but only this time think about this: What if the day before, you gave me the bat? Who is the cause of your calamity?

hmmm i like that theory lol...

I know crime started since the days of slavery but its going to continue and no one can stop it...however we can prevent some by the use of our so called police officers and security and much more strict law penalties

There's only one problem with that theory ArbiterofTruth and its the most important, you're totally negating freedom of choice. If yes I did indeed give you the bat, which is not categorized as a weapon, and then you proceed to use it as such, that is your personal choice and thus you are solely responsible. I can't be held accountable for what you choose to do with what is given to you.

Example: Thousands of people are attending universities and tertiary institutions every day educating themselves. But what if a few decided to use their knowledge to swindle the uneducated, the less fortunate, or to cheat or embezzle. Are you going to blame these schools?! Obviously not. It is what people decide to do with the situations that are given to them.

Another example that counters your exact example: A man walks into a house and strangles his wife to death.

But the day before, the man and the woman have an argument and she cusses him out and embarrasses him etc.

Are you telling me that she is responsible for her own calamity? I hope not.

BUT when you have institutions in place that can be held responsible for the state of affairs such as the GOVERNMENT, you can put the pressure on them, because they have the resources and it is their sole purpose and duty to protect and manage the country. And as far as "US" voting them in, use that term loosely because the current gov't had a minority win as in the majority of voters voted against the winning party.

When we ask the question as it is stated as the subject of the post, we deceive ourselves in the sense that; crime has been a part of human nature since the beginning of our existence. No place is exempt to this. It started in biblical days when the first human beings disobeyed God. So to say when it started in Trinidad would be irrelevant. Trinidad was under the rule of other countries. Particularly the British, Spaniards etc. And be sure that crime was prevelant in those times. So one cannot ask when crime started in T&T. it was always here. We came and meet it here; we're going to pass o and leave it here also.

There's only one problem with that theory ArbiterofTruth and its the most important, you're totally negating freedom of choice.

There is no problem at all. You had the freedom to choose and you chose to give me the bat. The fact that you will feel like an ass afterwards is the only problem you will have.

I wish you would have continued to quote me ArbiterofTruth because then you would realise what you just said doesn't make any sense.

Yes I chose to give you the bat, but it is NOT categorized as a "weapon" as I stated in my previous response, THEREFORE if you choose to use it in a harmful way only you will be responsible for the consequences of your actions.

Then again, you haven't discussed any other point I made in my argument other than my first line, and judging from your response, it seems like your opinion is stoned, therefore there is no other reason to continue this debate.

This isn't a debate. You have your opinion and I have mine, it's as simple as that. An icepick is used for ice but people use it as a weapon, aerosols are used to spray insects or freshen the air but put a lighter in front of it and you've got a flamethrower so your opinion "the bat is not a weapon" holds no water. The fact remains; you CHOSE to give me the instrument of your destruction, deal with it.

My original point was in reference to the politics and I used the scenario as a rough outline to bring it into perspective. At the end of the day all I'm trying to say is don't come crying "Oh Gawd d government wicked bwoy, oh gooooooooooood. How dey sufferin d poor people so!", when you were up & down campaigning for them, or if not you at least voted for them. We don't encourage our government to treat us properly. In the US, people who wish to lead the country must engage in debates to not only judge their intelligence but their own personal beliefs on issues that affect all citizens/civilians. It is based on these beliefs/positions/ideals on such things as abortion, same sex marriages, war, crime, education, economics, health care or the death penalty etc. that the people who they are hoping to lead can say, "hmm this guy believes in the same stuff as I do. He has the same vision I have and he may lead the country in the direction I as a citizen/civilian would like it to go. He's got my vote!"

What do we get here? "We go beat dem in d East, we go beat dem in d West, we go beat dem in d North , we go beat dem in d South, we go beat dem , we go beat dem, we go beat dem!!!!!" *applause from fanatics" It is WE who are the harbingers of our own doom. When the price of red meat went up in the US by a penny (ONE FRIGGIN' CENT) they refused to buy it and left it on the shelves until the people who were selling were forced to drop it back to the original price.
What do we get here? The price of flour goes up, bread goes up; fair enough, but when the bastards of NFM got competition from Country Pride all of a sudden flour could have been reduced magically. Did the bread come back down after this? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I remember when I had TSTT High Speed Internet (before they had Blink) we all had 256k and as soon as we heard another phone company was coming (we didn't even have a name or anything in concrete) we all got bumped up to 512k. A whopping 100% increase in speed. I got home a day from work and was informed TSTT called to find out if I was satisfied with my internet. Funny how they only wondered how I was feeling about the service they were providing me only when someone else was coming to take a piece of the pie. Phone that were extremely expensive became dirt cheap all of a sudden and you people still want to buy Bmobile after all the bullshit they put you through? Enjoy yourselves!

You're right. Every one is entitled to their own opinion, such is our freedom. By the way, I never said that a bat "is not a weapon", I was careful to say it is not "categorized as such". Those two statements mean two totally different things. Also if you re-read what you wrote, you would realise you agreed with my point.

"An icepick is used for ice but people use it as a weapon." Exactly. It doesn't mean every person that has an ice pick is a criminal, it is the ones that use it as a weapon. Freedom of choice. Anyway, I digress.

I agree with what you said about people campaigning and then complaining, it will forever be an issue in this country, because of our politics is nothing more than glorified barbershop talk. Our politicians don't try to make themselves the best candidates for the job, but instead try to paint their opponents as the worst, and in the end, we all lose. But at the end of the day, it is in their job description to do their duty and they should be held accountable for the inability to function effectively.

Sorry but the question seems to be a bit too simple. Other comments referenced the fact that crime is not exclusively a Trini thing but a human trait. Fact is it only began to escalate when the root of all evil became a part of our culture and materialism reigned supreme. That plus the fact that there are so many of us have a follow-fashion mentality. Blame it on video games, the movies or money but it all boils wanting more and more.

Grand theft Auto has alot to do with how youths mentality are today, this game encourages gamers to act like a criminal. Spending much time on that game will cause you to lose sense of reality and think of life just as the game.